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Something seems to be going on at the moment.  I haven’t been able to upload properly since Tuesday.  I managed to get 2 vids up somehow, but I have loads more I’d like to get up.  I’ve tried other video hosting sites and have encountered similar results.  Occasionally, when I type in a web address I receive the “This site has been closed by the Royal Thai Police…” This happened with both gmail and youtube.

I’m still going to be filming videos, but if nothing new goes up for a bit, at least you know why.

How to say FOR in Thai

When I first wanted to know the word for “for” in Thai,  my Lonely Planet Phrasebook said สำหรับ or samrap.  While สำหรับ does mean “for,” in many cases, it is not the best answer.

for in thai

Samrap you, samrap me?

There are 3 main ways to say “for” in Thai.   Luckily, there is often some overlap with their English equivalents, but it may take a bit to get used to which word you’ll need to use in each situation.  I’ll include some key examples in this post so you can get an idea which is which.

“FOR” in Thai

The first version of “for” that we will look at is “ สำหรับ” (sam-rap).

This version of “for” is often used when talking about what the purpose of a thing is or what it’s intended use is. Let’s look at the sentence “games for kids”.  The “for” in this sentence essentially means “intended to be used by”.  This is how the word สำหรับ (sam-rap) is used in Thai.

สำหรับ (sam-rap) + NOUN = for (use by/of)

สำหรับ can also be attached to a verb phrase.  This is similar to how we would say a phrase like “a pen for ipad.”  The “for” means something like “for the purpose of.”

The usage is just sap-rap สำหรับ  + the verb:

สำหรับ (sam-rap) + VERB = “intended to used to do X”

Here are some more examples:

For in Thai  (for the benefit of)

The next Thai version of “for” that we’re going to look at is the word เพื่อ (phuea).  เพื่อ (phuea) means something like in order to; for the benefit of; for the purpose of someone or something.  For example “to work for my family”.  The “for” in this sentence means something like “for the benefit of”.

This word is used for all the organizations and foundations.  School for the blind, for the people, etc.

เพื่อ (phuea) – for the benefit/purpose of someone/something; in order to

For in Thai (on behalf of/ in case of)

The third version of “for” that we will look at is เผื่อ (phuea).  This can mean something similar to the English “in case of something” or “on behalf of”  

In these examples, เผื่อ works like “in case.”

While in these very commonly used examples, เผื่อ functions as “on behalf of”

These are often used when you are telling someone you are going to do something…go eat, go out, go on a trip, etc and the person you are speaking to says this to mean something like “do it/one for me too!”

English example, you are heading out to the pub, but your friend is sick or has to stay home in work – they might say ‘Drink one for me!”

เผื่อ (phuea) –

Thai Tone Tip:

Although the word เผื่อ (phuea) and เพื่อ (phuea) above share the same vowel and same initial consonant sound, they are spoken with a different tone.  As Thai is a tonal language, this can change the meaning of a word.  Click on the audio for both words again and pay attention to tones of each word. เพื่อ (phuea) is spoken with a falling tone – meaning the tone rises and then falls again, while the word เผื่อ (phuea) is spoken with a low tone.  

These 2 words take different tones because of 2 factors: their initial consonant AND the tone mark.

  • เผื่อ – Is a LOW tone, because it begins with the because class consonant and has the 1st Tone Mark.
  • เพื่อ – takes a FALLING tone because it’s a low class consonant with the first tone mark.

While you need to know the 4 tone marks in order to determine the tone of a word or syllable in Thai, you ALSO need to know the CONSONANT CLASS of the word as each of the 3 classes has slightly different tone rules that you’ll need to master in order to learn to speak Thai fluently.

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For in Thai: Bonus Round ให้

ให้ (hai) is a very versatile word which has lots of different uses.  Depending on the sentence it can mean: to give; to allow; to make someone do something; and it can also be used as the preposition, “for.”   If this sounds intimidating, try to explain to a non-native English speaker what “get” means.

 Sentences Where “For” Isn’t Used in Thai

Even though there are lots of ways to say “for” in Thai, there are a number of sentences where “for” is not used.

Below are some situations where we use “for” in English but not in Thai.

Situation 1: When talking about how long something has been or will be done for.

Example sentences:

Even though in English we need to use the word “for” in these sentences, in Thai there is no equivalent version of “for” used.

Situation 2: When thanking someone or saying sorry for doing something.

Example sentences:

Once again, there is no version of “for” used in these Thai sentences.

Farang Tip:

We understand that trying to memorize all of this will be impossible for most people.  Just bookmark this page and come back to reference it as needed.   Whenever you run into a situation where you want to say something and you don’t know how, make a note somewhere and look it up, send us a message, or ask on a app like HiNative.

More Thai Sentences

Busy with final papers/exams, but I promise to get a lot of new stuff up in October! 

โทร มา ละ กัน – keep in touch 

**This is a great sentence and you will hear it a lot.  Its a friendly, informal way of ending a conversation…’lets talk again soon.’  It has no real expectation of calling.  It is NOT like saying “Call me tomorrow.”  Its much more casual and used as a ‘good-bye.’  Watch for it!

Probably used just as often is its counterpart โทรหาละกัน which means the same thing except you are saying you might be calling them sometime.  They are pretty much used interchangeably.  Listen for them.

 

ลงมา เปิดประตู ให้หน่อย come down(stairs) and open the door for me

The Sentence Project has a smaller version of this, but I was thinking more examples are needed as some people have trouble with this pattern.  

บอกเขาให้หน่อย  tell him/her for me 

Is this obvious?  Literally its like “give me the telling of him please,” so just forget about translating that nonsense.  Just memorize the sentence.  Did I mention how you should be learning these Sentence Project sentences?  Any way you can!  I’d suggest putting the English on the front side of your SRS flashcards and keep doing them daily until you can near-instananeously pull all 100ish sentences out of your ass.  If you have these sentences and you can pronounce most of them correctly, you will amaze your friends – locals and non alike.  All these sentences are colloquializations I’ve picked up from native speakers.  I don’t make this crap up.  Guessing is for people who want to speak a language like an idiot.  Copying isn’t good for tests and papers, but is the absolutely best way for learning languages.  Don’t say what they tell you to say, say what they say.  And don’t be discouraged if sometimes someone tells you one of these things is a bit strange.  Thats crap too.  Colloquialized language doesn’t always follow grammar textbook rules.  But thats ok too because we don’t like textbooks right?

 

 

  • ทำ ให้ หน่อย                do [verb] for me please
  • เขียน ที่ อยู่ ให้ หน่อย     write your address for me plz
  • แปลให้หน่อย                translate this for me plz
  • ถามเขาใ้ห้หน่อย            ask him/her for me plz 

Sentence Project – 50

In case its not entirely obvious, tone marks are depicted by the first letter of the following: common, low, falling, high, rising.  You should be able to cut and paste it into a spreadsheet to mess around with it to make a SRS file.   If anyone can think of a sentence/phrase that you say everyday that I haven’t mentioned, do bring it up.    

 

 

English Phrase Acceptable Thai Equivalent Tones + Notes
I don’t know how (to open it) (เปิด) ไม่ เป็น (l) f c
Where did you go? ไป ไหน มา c r c
I’m not sure. ไม่ แน่ ใจ f f c
I don’t feel very well. ไม่ ค่อย สบาย f f l-c (สะบาย)
I’ve never been there. ไม่ เคย ไป f c c
How long have you been here? อยู่ (____) นาน หรือ ยัง L () c r c
Its too expensive. แพง เกิน (ไป) c c (c)
I learned it myself เรียน (โดย ตัว) เอง c (c c) c
Who did you go with? ไป กับ ใคร c c c
I can’t remember. จำ ไม่ ได้ c f f
I don’t understand. ไม่ เข้า ใจ f f c
Have you ever been to Japan? เคย ไป ญี่ปุ่น มั้ย c c f-l h
How did you go/get here? มา ยังไง c c-c
I think so. คิด ว่า h c *This can stand alone or you can add stuff after it like it was “I think that….”
I don’t know her. ไม่ รู้จัก เค้า f h-l h
He looks familiar. หน้า ดู คุ้นๆ f c h-h
Did you see “The Matrix” yet? ดู “The Matrix” รึ ยัง c “_” h c *replace Matrix with movie of your choice
Ok. Thats fine with me. ก็ ได้ f f – sound often gets shortened to ก๊ ได้ *Super useful – ไป ก็ได้, กิน ก็ได้ ,ไม่ไปก็ได้
I need to wake up early tomorrow. พรุ่ง นี้ ตื่น เช้า f h l h *Not usually necessary to use the word “need” in Thai
What time do you finish work? เลิก งาน กี่ โมง f c l c *many words for “to finish” learn them in context ’cause you will guess wrong
Well, what do you think? แล้ว คิด ยังไง h h c-c
I learned it myself. เรียน เอง c c
Thats impossible. เป็น ไป ไม่ ได้ c c f f
Wanna go get something to eat? ไป กิน ข้าว มั้ย c c f h
What day(s) are you free? ว่าง วัน ไหน (บ้าง) f c r (f) * without (บ้าง) you are just asking about one day – if you use the (บ้าง) then its more like What days are you free – (not working, not studying, etc)
I’ll call you tomorrow. พรุ่ง นั้ จะ โทร หา f h l c r
Tell me บอก มา l c *Great for when someone tells you they have a secret and then they won’t give it up
I’m not going – Its too friggin hot! ไม่ ไป !! ร้อน จะ ตาย เอย f c h l c c *ok to use with friends – not polite, but not really impolite either
I can’t keep up (with someones speaking, a song, etc) ฟัง ไม่ ทัน c f c
What’s this?! / What’s going on here!? อะไร เนี่ย l-c f *the word เนี่ย usually implies a feeling of surprised – feigned or otherwise
Whats up?/ Whats going on?/ Whats new? เป็น ไง บ้าง c c f Hows it crackin? ไง is short for ยังไร or ยังไง
So are you coming/going or what? จะ ไป รึ เปล่า l c h l *remember this is often used as a mild pleading to get the listener to come/go with you.
I just woke up. เพิ่งตื่น f c
I’m gonna go (back) now/in a moment เรา จะ กลับ แล้ว c – l – l – h เรา or ไอ (from English) is better than ผม in most cases.
I’m just about to start eating. เรากำลังจะกินข้าว c c-c l c f
My bad. Sorry ’bout that โทษที f c *Informal
I’m almost there. ใกล้จะถึง f l r
Where to next? ไป ไหน ต่อ c r l
Why, your not fat at all! ไม่ เ้ห็น อ้วน เลย f r f c I don’t see how (you think) you are fat! You can use this whenever somebody tells you they are fat. อ้วน remember the sound is ooo-wa(n)
(We’ll/I’ll) never make it in/on time! ไม่ทันแน่ f c f
Nobody’s going. ไม่มีใคร(จะ)ไป f c c (l) c
I probably shouldn’t go. ไม่ไปดีกว่า f c c l
I’ll wait downstairs. จะรอข้างล่าง l c f-f *can sub ข้างนอก outside or ข้องใน inside
Up to you. แล้วแต่ h l up to you Can also be used as “depending on…”
Are you married? แต่งงานหรือยัง l c r c
Are you used to (something) yet? เคยชินรึยัีง c c h c
What does it/that mean? หมายตวามว่า อะไร r c f l-c *can also be used when you don’t get the point of what someone is talking about
What time does the shop open? ร้าน เปิด กี่ โมง h l l c
Did you wait long? รอนานหรือเปล่า c c r l

100 Useful Thai Sentences

I recommend spending less time focusing on single words that and more on learning a bunch of super useful short sentences.  Many very important sentences in Thai are just 2 or 3 words so as soon as you can start fumbling  your way through easy words, I’d get started on these high frequency Thai phrases.

How do you learn these Thai sentences? First, you need to learn how to read the Thai script. Then choose a few of the sentences below and spend a bit of time practicing saying them aloud every day.  If you are in Thailand, start with sentences you can find an excuse to use in real life that tends to have the highest chance of sticking.  The order is arbitrary, but some of them will be more useful than others depending on your situation.